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Hey Everybody,

Brenden here from Common Motor Collective. Over the last three years of R&D we have been working on an original electronic ignition system for the Honda CB350, CB360 and CB450 families of bikes. We are happy to announce that our Shockwave electronic ignition system is almost ready for purchase. (fyi our Long Haul Project CB450 ran one for almost 5000 miles)

However, before we can publicly release it, there are always a few bugs to work out. This is precisely where we need your help. We need fellow Honda twin (350 / 360 / 450) owners that have high mechanical and technical understanding to give us feedback on the experience of installing, adjusting and the performance of the system in your personal bikes. We need to make sure our installation instructions are clear for final users and we need to develop a proper troubleshooting guide. Furthermore if we need to make any modifications to the systems components or parts set up, those issues need to be identified in context. At the moment all instructions are in their first draft phase and will need further refinement for the end user, but should be clear enough to let you get the system installed on your bike.

In exchange for your feedback you will be getting first access to the systems at a discount price and extended warranty. We are planning to have the next batch of systems ready for public sale in early Winter 2019. Thus we need you to install the Shockwave and ride you bike ASAP! The sooner we can get good feedback from y’all the more time we have to refine and make necessary changes to the system.

Below is a link to a quick questionnaire to fill out so we know who is participating in the program. Deadline for completion is Friday November 16, 2018.

-Shockwave Electronic Ignition Beta User Program Application-

If selected you will be notified directly via email and given further instructions.

Feel free to share this link with a friend that also may be a good fit for the beta test program as well. If this needs to be moved to a different section of the forum would a moderator please do so, thanks.

I know there will be lots of questions out there about the system, however we will address them in the near future. At this time we will not be able to answer any questions on this thread or direct questions about the Shockwave via our website contact forms (phone and text too). More information will be released soon via our newsletter, our social media and here on the forum.

Thanks again for your support and willingness to participate in this program. It is our ongoing mission to support the owners of vintage Honda Motorcycles and continue to develop the best parts and information necessary to keep these bikes on the road for many miles to come.

Brenden Macaluso (Zephyrking)
Director / Lead Designer Common Motor Collective
 

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yeah, not sure how sold I'd be to help them for what would end up being a price about the same as other unit's retail prices, and the others have electronic advance... who's to say theirs would be any better or more durable?
 

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yeah, not sure how sold I'd be to help them for what would end up being a price about the same as other unit's retail prices, and the others have electronic advance... who's to say theirs would be any better or more durable?

Well it would depend on the discount wouldn't it :) The only EI that does have electronic advance I know of is Pamco.
 

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but the application link mentions the price, doesn't it?

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The estimated retail price of the final production Shockwave ignition system (regardless of bike model) is $200.00* USD with a 12 month warranty from the date of purchase. However, in exchange for the feedback and documentation of the beta systems, we are offering this first batch of Shockwave ignition systems at a discounted price of $130* and an extended warranty of 18 months. "
 

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I probably wouldn't be riding mine enough to suit their needs, the little red monster (as my wife calls it) only goes out once or twice a week - and my business has been beyond slow the last couple months, can't afford $130 for a replacement for fully-functioning points anyway
 

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Yeah well the weather is also starting to turn colder here to the point where it's actually uncomfortable to ride now so we'll see.
 

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76twin.. Pamco is the only e-advance that I know confirmed. However, I have "read" Boyer Branson and other manufactures (Trispark, Sparx,) make one..for Triumphs, BSA, and Norton.. not sure if they have touched the Honda market.. I'm all actuality, I'm not sure why they havnt? I would say possibly due to the "poor" charging systems on vintage hondas.. HOWEVER, the English systems had to be done of THE WORST!!
Lucas wasn't given the title "Prince of Darkness" for no reason..
 

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Done. Really want to test this system out. I was extremely disappointed with the "quality" of the Pamco system. E-advance isn't worth diddly to me if the wiring going to the circuit boards is completely fried after only 2 rides. . Hopefully CMC uses appropriate gauge wiring with insulation that is actually heat resistant. I've seen more robust wiring inside of my old 2006 HP laptop than what the Pamco unit used for wires that rest directly on the cylinder head of an air-cooled engine.

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Dad.. how did I know you were gonna "like" this..:)..
Yes, no doubt the Pamco could use improvements, but as CMC has asked "what is your charging system like"...basically.. don't add new electronics to old charging systems..be it Pamco, Charlie's, dyna, or CMC...
To quote a tv show judge .."it will kill....."
 

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Dad.. how did I know you were gonna "like" this..:)..
Yes, no doubt the Pamco could use improvements, but as CMC has asked "what is your charging system like"...basically.. don't add new electronics to old charging systems..be it Pamco, Charlie's, dyna, or CMC...
To quote a bad show judge .."it will kill....."
yup - and I can absolutely see it being a problem with too big a voltage variation or too high voltage, but it's just an example of the limitations of what's currently available. For me, it's about the total trust I can put into my ignition getting me home, old school tried and true. Hey, I'd sign up for it but I don't ride mine nearly enough for their needs and I'm just not paying $130 of hard to come by money right now for something unproven and about the same price as stuff already out there
 

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Dad.. how did I know you were gonna "like" this..:)..
Yes, no doubt the Pamco could use improvements, but as CMC has asked "what is your charging system like"...basically.. don't add new electronics to old charging systems..be it Pamco, Charlie's, dyna, or CMC...
Understandable, but there's not much "old" about my charging system at this point. Every single wire in the bike is new, both halves of the stator are bridged to be on at all times (white/yellow wire mod), regulator and rectifier have been ditched in favor of the modern combo unit from Nordabikes, where I got my new harness from, and every single incandescent bulb in the bike has been swapped out for LEDs, right down to the little bayonet bulbs in the gauges. Everything that I could possibly do to improve charging and reduce total amperage draw has been done.

I agree the charging systems on these bikes leaves something to be desired, but it was not any kind of charging related issue that caused the failure of my Pamco unit. It was the insulation melting off of the tiny 28 gauge wires inside the points housing causing the unit to short out against the negatively grounded engine cases.

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It's not that, and I'm agreeing with you on Pamco, it's just the design also has the weakness of high voltage like most electronics today and at best, our bikes' charging systems can be excessive and all over the place from below 12 at idle to above 15 at speed. Too many weaknesses, including the one that got you.
 

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Yeah I hear you on that. And that voltage variation is exactly why I didn't end up getting a Ballistic LiPo like I have done with several previous (more modern) bikes. After speaking with the helpful guys over at Ballistic Performance, we both came to the agreement that the variation in voltage would be too risky for a LiPo and could possibly result in damaged cells or worse, and that a "plain old" AGM was probably my best bet. (Basically I just hated the old fashioned "wet" batteries and the obnoxious vent tube that drips acid all over the frame and battery box all the time. )

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Yeah I hear you on that. And that voltage variation is exactly why I didn't end up getting a Ballistic LiPo like I have done with several previous (more modern) bikes. After speaking with the helpful guys over at Ballistic Performance, we both came to the agreement that the variation in voltage would be too risky for a LiPo and could possibly result in damaged cells or worse, and that a "plain old" AGM was probably my best bet. (Basically I just hated the old fashioned "wet" batteries and the obnoxious vent tube that drips acid all over the frame and battery box all the time. )
I guess you haven't looked at my 450 build thread, I'm running a 4ah lithium battery with an Oregon Cycle reg/rec combo and no electric start, and every bulb is an LED except for my neutral light (preference). My battery is 2 years old and hasn't had any problems. It runs around 14.5 to 14.6 volts max. that's not my reason for not going with EI
 

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I agree the charging systems on these bikes leaves something to be desired, but it was not any kind of charging related issue that caused the failure of my Pamco unit. It was the insulation melting off of the tiny 28 gauge wires inside the points housing causing the unit to short out against the negatively grounded engine cases.

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Was your wiring different from mine?

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Was your wiring different from mine?

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Well yeah, lol. That's a 450. I have a CL350. Looking at your pic, my only concern would be the proximity of the lower board's wiring to the inside wall of the points housing. That kind of contact when the engine gets hot and up to temp is essentially what killed my unit. Also, that grey insulation melts fairly easily, and the wiring inside once it has melted is incredibly small gauge so that insulation will melt off in short order once the main insulation is compromised.

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