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So its still here, like had guessed. I've had 5 people email me for more pictures, telling me they are alll "very interested" and yet nobody has come to look at it. So this weekend i had enough to afford a 1/2" hammer drill and had a 5/8" drill bit in the garage. I went ahead and drilled the bastard out and the helicoil tries to thread it snuggly. I suppose later this week i'll pick up the 45 dollar kit from napa and seal that bizzle in.

I was using a compression style ignition tester. Mostly cause it was 3.99 at harbor freight and I always heard there were great for older things and small engines. Well lately i've become the neighborhood lawn mower repair guy. I thought pic one up and see how nice it is. Well something interesting happpened. My plugs on the twin are carbon fouled to the extreme. This is with less than 6 miles. I noticed with the compression tester i got one hell of an intermitant spark. I then noticed my batteries voltage was 11.59 at state of charge. I'm almost beginning to wonder if the stator isn't working.

I'll find out once i put the new plug in later this week. I figured i might as well fix it since having it run fine when someone looks at it may sell better than "i swear it only needs this done." I still don't plan on going much farther with it after this but if nobody comes by within the next week i may do some more work on it. I still don't really want to but i have this feeling i may keep it. Anybody have a triple clamp for a broke jobless bastard such as myself?? lol

I don't have much but i'm willing to neogotiate some prices. I may get lucky this week though. I went to a ford dealer this week and actually seemed to be pretty interested in myself. So maybe i'll have a job and :) get the stupid 4 foot tall 6 foot wide tool chest out of my garage and back into a shop. Plus its withing minutes from where i live so i'm really hoping i get this. Plus since i'm also staying with my parents and virtually have no bills i'm ok with very few labor hours a week. It would be more than i'm banking now thats for sure.
 

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I also want to add this. I think because i have so little money now and because i was so driven by determination that i ignored quite a few of you.

After drilling it out correctly and checking a few things over last night i think i just needed a break. The bike doesn't piss me off now, i'm back to just attempting to fix stuff. I think for a while i was just clouded by emotions and determined to make a lot more money from it than i thought i would. Maybe be another week or so before i have 50 bucks to Helicoil the cyl head but after that i'm going to go back to my compression. Its still pretty good but i want to check out my carbs and see whats up with the engine flooding. I'm going to take the carbs apart tomorrow and see if all the jet numbers match what its supposed to have.
 

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Stick with it - these bikes are a love/hate thing, and 360's seem to be especially troublesome.

I'll often walk away from it for a couple days, just to calm down and re-zero.....
 

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I also want to add this. I think because i have so little money now and because i was so driven by determination that i ignored quite a few of you.

After drilling it out correctly and checking a few things over last night i think i just needed a break. The bike doesn't piss me off now, i'm back to just attempting to fix stuff. I think for a while i was just clouded by emotions and determined to make a lot more money from it than i thought i would. Maybe be another week or so before i have 50 bucks to Helicoil the cyl head but after that i'm going to go back to my compression. Its still pretty good but i want to check out my carbs and see whats up with the engine flooding. I'm going to take the carbs apart tomorrow and see if all the jet numbers match what its supposed to have.
What size is the HeliCoil
 

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Stick with it - these bikes are a love/hate thing, and 360's seem to be especially troublesome.

I'll often walk away from it for a couple days, just to calm down and re-zero.....
+1000
 

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MNellis said:
sakibomb said:
I also want to add this. I think because i have so little money now and because i was so driven by determination that i ignored quite a few of you.

After drilling it out correctly and checking a few things over last night i think i just needed a break. The bike doesn't piss me off now, i'm back to just attempting to fix stuff. I think for a while i was just clouded by emotions and determined to make a lot more money from it than i thought i would. Maybe be another week or so before i have 50 bucks to Helicoil the cyl head but after that i'm going to go back to my compression. Its still pretty good but i want to check out my carbs and see whats up with the engine flooding. I'm going to take the carbs apart tomorrow and see if all the jet numbers match what its supposed to have.
What size is the HeliCoil
i dunno lol. Its a standard 14mm spark plug thread. I know i had to drill it out to a 5/8" and then i need a kit that has a tap for the 5/8" hole. I have the helicoil itself, i just lack a tap for that helicoil.
 

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Well i think i may have fixed some issues. One of my floats wasn't inline with the other. After some very slight tweaking i got both sides to measure the same and also used a level........couldn't think of aything else straight lol, to make sure both pontoons where inline with each other. The one that was bent was off by maybe .5mm. Not enough to flood but enough to starve that cyl for fuel. Which would explain the whitend tip of the spark plug.

I also noticed fuel in the intake toobs to the head. I then noticed my fuel seats weren't clipped on very tight to the floats. I bent the tabs down so i clipped on much better and tested it on the bike last night. Now with one cyl working i didn't let it run for very long. Just long enough to see if it flooded on startup.

The slow rev down is gone now. Crack the throttle and it shoots up slower (duh, only one cyl firing) and then when i released it came straight back down. So after cleaning and adjusting my carbs i think i may have fixed another isue.

I also had a bunch of brass shavings in one of the pilot jets. Its clear i've never taken them out. They were actually stuck in place after i unscrewed them all the way. Soaked them in carb cleaner for a half hour and got all the shavings out of the pilot holes before i re-installed.

I'm going to wait to do anything else till i get the other spark plug back in. I don't want to run it with an open spark plug hole. I'm not sure exactly how bad it is, but technically it would be unbalanced without a combustion on that side and as said, i don't want to muck it up.

O, and i also hooked up a fuel line to the carbs off the bike and left the fuel on for 5 mins and then shut it off and left them in the same posistion for an hour to make sure fuel wasn't crawling out of any ports. So far everything looks good. My slides were also coated in gas, i'm not positive gas should be all around them. I could see some but not that much.

I suppose we'll find out if everything is cool after i helicoil the threads. I'm going to apply to some temp service in town today. So maybe i'll have a job soon to afford the helicoil tap and stuff.

Ford is also supposed to call me back this week as they may have a tech slot available for me. I'm not counting my chickens though, but if they do offer me a job i'm not even going to hesitate. 3 Labor hours at 15 bucks an hour is more than i make in an entire week. Even with taxes i would be happy with 30 bucks lol. How sad is that.
 

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well i got the other plug helicoiled and just poped it in. I haven't started the bike for weeks now and it started up ok but i was wondering this.

This sounds stupid but lately i think the seats on my kawasaki have begun to wear out. So since i have a ride i'm supposed to make with a friend this weekend i've been trying to lean it out since its puffing on acceleration. Its been slowly working. I'm pretty sure a new carb kit would make life easier for me on that but until i order it next week if I were to lean out the honda the same way, by changing the height of the floats would that help you suppose. I dont' want to lean it so much that it blows it up but is there any harm with changing the fuel level so that the bike won't buck in first gear.

I only say this because the bike seems to throttle down a little quicker now after i cleared out the pilots but the plugs still come out black as hell after a ride around the block. They are set to 18.5mm but maybe if i set it at 20mm i'm thinking i could kinda judge it by the plugs and how it runs.

As said i don't know how great of an idea that is. Before i go and do it whats your guys verdict. The goal is to get new carb parts but i want to see if the buyer wants to spend that on it.

The buyer is actually my friend but i'm not sure how well his bike tuning abilities are. He tells me he fixes things but i still recall the day i was changing out to a higher performance clutch on my car and he was pulling on the opposite side of the engine thinking that was the transmission. Money is money so i don't care if he screws it up but just for knowledge and testing would this work you think?

Also i checked the pontoons and they float in both bikes. I guess i could physically see if the gas shuts off, maybe thats what's up. Gas doesn't really come out the overflow but if left on without running for even a minute it will drip out.
 

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sakibomb said:
i think the seats on my kawasaki have begun to wear out.
Did you mean to say Honda? coz I'm confused...

Adjusting float level in any way other than spec will give you more running problems. Have you given it a solid ride at speed and looked at the plugs yet? That would be a more accurate plug reading. A quickie around the block isn't enough to guage the plugs on.

If you respect your mate, tell him it needs carb kits before you sell it to him :)
 

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sakibomb said:
i think the seats on my kawasaki have begun to wear out.
Did you mean to say Honda? coz I'm confused...

Adjusting float level in any way other than spec will give you more running problems. Have you given it a solid ride at speed and looked at the plugs yet? That would be a more accurate plug reading. A quickie around the block isn't enough to guage the plugs on.

If you respect your mate, tell him it needs carb kits before you sell it to him :)
No, the saki's seats are shot i think. Its been running fine for months now. However lately its been having a horrible time bogging/flooding itself. Sometimes it'll die at red lights. So i adjusted it to the highest specs, 26mm, and it got better but not by much. So as a way to "try" to fix it just for the weekend i set them at 27.5mm and nothing really changed.

I was just thinking to myself the honda probably has the same problem. I'm trying to get a hold of my friend and tell him i'm going to go ahead and get new carb kits and some new mufflers. I'm almost certain that will fix the bucking thing. My kaw doesn't buck though, its just slow as hell with little poofs. Once its gets to its powerband its fine. Until i sit at a red light too long and slowly the idle starts to drop. The honda almost acts the same, cause sometimes while idling the idle will start to drop and then just puke. You also can't start it on full choke usually. You have to have it cracked a little and then have the throttle open a bit for it to fire.

Once it fires you can see almost a vapor like smoke/steam come out and then you can smell gas. So i think its still flooding. I just haven't paid any attention to the honda for awhile since it last pissed me off. Good news is i start a job tomorrow. Its **** pay but its a job. Things are busy were i'm going to be working so they say a lot of 12-13 hr days. So at least i can afford to buy some new parts for it. I still need to fix the damn triple clamp.
 

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So its been a while, i have a job again so i can return to working on the bike.

At this point i've heard a few people who have looked at it and said let me know if someone else offers and blah blah and i'll put some money down in a few weeks






I think i'm going to end up just keeping it. So if thats the case i'm at least going to finish it. The gas tank i'll probably replace eventually if i still have it that long.

So here's the short term plans. Carb kits, i don't want to guess with them, something isn't right with these. New exhaust pipes. I still think that f'n with its fuel system. New top triple clamp since this one is cracked and section isn't on it anymore. And i need a new lower engine mount since its stripped on one side and nothing is potentially holding the footpeg on but the muffler that its jammed between.
 

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Your carb slides shouldn't be wet with fuel under any circumstances. It sounds like either the float valves leak, the floats are set too high or there's a leak in the float. Submerge the float in hot water for a few moments: if you see little bubbles coming out, it's leaking. If the float level is too high, lowering the float level will lean the mixture. If the float level is correctly set, lowering the float a little won't make a difference; lowering it a lot will make the bike hard to start, but it will probably run OK as long as the jets are below the fuel level. try shutting your fuel cock off while riding. If the motor starts to run better for a while before it quits, your floats are probably too high. Note that, under normal circumstances, if you shut off the fuel, the motor will run normally until the fuel level drops near to the level of the jets and air starts to be sucked into the jets along with the fuel.
 

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I'm glad you scored a new job bro, and I'm glad your gonna go through with the build...hopefully you'll reap the rewards of riding it soon enough :cool:
 

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our UPS driver from my old job stopped by and was checking it out the other day. He wrote a bunch of stuff down and i'm not sure if he's serious about it.

I have soaked the pontoons under water and they don't bubble at all. Carbs are set at the right height but for some reason i just have this inner feeling somethin ain't right. I'll gonna look at them again tomorrow and try to set the floats higher and see what happens.

It seems to run fine starting up, a nasty smoke that smells of gas, and then in 1st gear the weird buck. Which i assume is from it sucking up gas extremely fast and then misfiring. I'm gonna try to set the floats different and see what happens. the fact the o-rings don't fit at all anymore leads me to believe all the carb parts are old as hell and probably need a good replacing. I'm also going to pour come carb cleaner in the fuel lines and close the float valve with my finger to make sure fuel isn't still coming out once its closed.

I did figure out the saki though, its not the carbs. My points are wore down damn near flat. All the silicon grease must have baked off, so i just filed them down where they had a "toe" and all went well. I put 50 miles on it roughly that trip in IL and this last saturday i put 73 miles on it just venturing out in the country areas around here. So far it runs like a top but i know at some points the points will start to not working right and i'll just have to order new ones. As said, it was a temp fix that i didn't even think would work.

On a side note, anybody have that lower engine mount with both nuts. Before i test ride it anymore i want to make sure the pegs are secured and the top triple clamp replaced. If anyone has those PM me and make me a deal i can't refuse :D
 

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You can get a length of all-thread for that engine/peg mount. I'll be doing the same since mine has a bend on one end. You can have it if you wanna pay for postage, but all-thread would be much cheaper.

Why would ya wanna pour carb cleaner through the lines for a simple flow test? Use fuel...and if your o-rings and such are ill fitting thats a clear indication of whats up.
 

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Didn't want to waste gas, i figure i could flow berryman's through it back into the bucket from whinst it came from :lol:

The all thread is a bitchen idea. I'll have to pull it out and hit up lowes. Thats tons cheaper than ordering a new bolt. Wish i could give you karma for that idea.
 

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The all thread is a bitchen idea. I'll have to pull it out and hit up lowes.
I get it from Ace Hardware - metric threaded rod, cut to length at home.
 

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They have it there, sweet. There's an ace probably 3 minutes from my house.

I also ordered 2 carb kits today. As said, i think i may end up just keeping the bike. The styling still isn't my cup of tea but i guess i can always modify the bike for a different appearance.

I'm actually looking into a storage facility. There's one locally that keeps in inside tempature of i think 50-55 degrees all year round. Kinda cool since there's no bugs and its too cold for anything to really grow besides mold. They are all steel as well so there's a few slight chance of any rain getting in. Think of a large warehouse with a storage facility inside. My friend has a .........12X10 for 50 bucks a month. I figure if i begin to collect a bunch of a bikes i can begin to just store them.

On another note, about my ugly exhaust. I plan on getting some torpedo mufflers for it. But those headers still look awful. My attempt at sandblasting one worked but made a hell of a mess and i dont want to sand the other entire pipe. So can you paint exhaust wrap. I was thinking of painting it black and then running the chrome torpedo's from the connector.
 

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You can buy colored wrap for those pipes. Black or white is pretty common.

GB :mrgreen:
O ok cool. I just happened to notice it at advance auto last weekend when i was making poly mounts for my car.

It appears they just have white, i assume i could probably order it from summit or jegs and i bet its cheaper too.............actually i'm using the internet now, i guess i could just go look at the damn site.

Sorry 11 1/2 hr shift today. Tired and brain isn't thinking. I really hate this warehouse stuff. I feel so instutionalized from working at a car dealership hanging out with techs and getting ice cream from the ice cream truck to non stop working and a 30 minute lunch. O well........
 
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