[sakibomb]

Alright well i picked up a '74 CB360 from my friend about a month or so ago. Basically his timing chain snapped and totally chewed up the valves, pistons all that stuff.

I got a good used head, cylinder jugs, pistons all the goodies on ebay for 40 bucks with s&h. Gave it to my friend to take to his uncle's machine shop to be honed and yada yada. So anyway i called my vintage bike shop and learned something that might make this rebuild a pain in the ass.

Evidentally honda only has 5 timing chains avail in the US, and they have disco'd the tensioner shoe and guide shoe. So my question is i didn't see anything in the for sale area but does anybody on here have one that i could buy off of. Preferably a new one. Even a used engine wouldn't be too bad if you don't live too far away.

I was refered by the 4cyl forum. I've got pics of both of my bikes if anybody would want to see them.

I've got the '74 CB360 and a '75 Kawasaki S1-C 250 Triple. Anyway any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'm kinda fixing this up for a guy at work. He said he would gladly pay a few hundred for a small vintage bike to learn on. Plus we could both go riding this summer since we're both newbies. I've only put 10 miles on mine since this summer. But then thats due to having a hard time registering and fixing it. Originally the kawa hadn't ran in 28 years!

But anyway like i said, any help would be appreciated.

 

[tbpmusic]

Here's a cam chain on EBay -

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hond...temQQimsxZ20081218?IMSfp=TL0812181110009r1666

The other stuff- I have no idea, good luck.....

This guy seems to have some used parts-
http://stores.ebay.com/davidxr650l_honda-cb360_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ10847479QQftidZ2QQtZkm


Here are some of the other pieces...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-...cyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-...cyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting

 

[sakibomb]

well i emailed the guy that has a lot of used parts so i'm awaiting that but the bottom two ebay links....i have no idea what that is.

I need the two longer shoes that ride in the middle of the cyl's. The tensioner shoe and guide shoe.

I have the timing chain tensioner thing, its like a half circle with a pin and some weird spring steel piece comign off it.

 

[66Sprint]

I have one of the "shoes".... It is an arched metal strip about 9&3/4 inches long with a rubber strip affixed to it...Loops on both ends of the metal.... I know it is from a 360, but can't remember which one it is...LOL.... Yours for $5 & the shipping cost......Can send pic if necessary, PM me here on group with shipping address... Steve

 

[sakibomb]

thank god, i finally found a use set of guide shoes and tensioner shoes. I have a used timing chain as well but i dont' know the mileage on it. I was going to the email the guy and find out but since i'm building this for a friend and selling it to him i have no idea how long this chain would last. It looks like its in good shape but i would feel weird about using a used timing chain. I may not have much of a choice as the guy i'm ordering my parts from says there's only 3 chains left in the US right now. Naturally it'll have to be ordered but i might just throw this in there. I'm sure he won't rock it more than a few thousand miles before he gets something else.

Am i wrong to do this, he's a good buddy and not real mechanically inclined but Kinda curious how well this would work.

 

[tbpmusic]

Am i wrong to do this, he's a good buddy and not real mechanically inclined but Kinda curious how well this would work.

Considering the difficulty in finding 360 cam chain guides and other parts, I don't see that you have a lot of choice.

 

[sakibomb]

i think i'm going to just use it truthfully. The auction online was for a chain and something else. Well since i wanted the guide shoes he said he would go 50 and no lower. I've been looking for those stupid shoes for at least 2 months now so i just said screw it and bought it. But since i paid 50 for all this stuff thats probably worth 70-80 new and a new chain is 50 i figure i'll just do it. I kinda got ripped off but i'm still selling this bike for probably 7-800. I'm not looking to make a ton off it but i just want to build something that won't just snap 10 minutes after he buys it. I suppose if that happens i'll just part it out but i'm sure you guys know where i'm coming from on this.

 

[Henryinva]

I havent tried this except on my bikes chain, but I dont think Honda has their own personal chain company. Surely a chain supplier could match up a metric chain.....

My two cents, dont hit me!

Henry

 

[tbpmusic]

For what it's worth, I know that some 450 guys swap out their cam chains with the ones from 750's (SOHC variety), claiming that they're a bit stronger.
Of course, they have to cut and shorten them, then rivet - but that's something we're used to on 450's.

I can't say for sure, but seems like you could do the same with a 360.
The 750 chain is 94 links, the 360 is 92 links.
They're probably close enough in width and all that it would work.

The 350 cam chain is also 94 links, so maybe it could be shortened and used.

I would have no reservations at all about using a riveted link cam chain on any Honda - they work just fine in 450's, which are as hard on a cam chain as any Honda, I reckon.

Mybe someone here has some cam chains lying about that they could compare??

Later today maybe I'll go out to the shop and compare a 450 and a CB200 cam chain - the only ones I have out-of-bike at the moment.

Once again, I think this is the sort of thing that Steve may know for sure - maybe he'll show up soon??
I emailed him last week, still haven't heard back, so maybe his travels aren't quite done yet.

 

[Bird76Mojo]

"there's only 3 chains left in the US right now"

I highly doubt that. Online parts websites have these things more often than not. Sometimes you gotta call. But my question is, and maybe I missed it in your posts, if there are 3 chains in the US then why are'nt you buying one?

GB :mrgreen:

 

[tbpmusic]

"there's only 3 chains left in the US right now"

I highly doubt that. Online parts websites have these things more often than not. Sometimes you gotta call. But my question is, and maybe I missed it in your posts, if there are 3 chains in the US then why are'nt you buying one?

GB :mrgreen:

My sources indicate that this part (cam chain) is no longer available from Honda, and hasn't been for years. All this 360 cam chain/tensioner stuff is pretty hard to locate, and big bucks when you can find it, as folks here are finding out. It was one of the 360's weak points, and supplies were depleted long ago.
So I'm not surprised that there may only be 3 left at dealers around the country.
In this Computer Age, the dealers tend to network and get stuff from each other when they can find it somewhere.

Miraculously, the carb diaphragms are still available - I guess at $90 each it's understandable. Most people will just pick up a pair of used carbs and steal parts.
But even the used carbs are getting tough to find.
Another 360 part that's hard to find is the top fork clamp (triple clamp). They had a nasty habit of cracking, though they are still available - but at nearly $150 new, few people will bite, and good used ones are getting hard to find.

Of course, there may be a few of the hard to find parts around at vintage parts places, and of course overseas places like CMSL and David Silver - but you'll pay dearly for them.
Ohio Cycles never did have 360 stuff, too "new" for them.

 

[sakibomb]

"there's only 3 chains left in the US right now"

I highly doubt that. Online parts websites have these things more often than not. Sometimes you gotta call. But my question is, and maybe I missed it in your posts, if there are 3 chains in the US then why are'nt you buying one?

GB :mrgreen:

money is getting tight since i have to move out somewhat soon. I'm just trying to get the bike in one piece so i can get it to my parents garage. I will be loosing my garage at the end of this month. I'd like have the bike sold by then but whatever happens....

I'm pretty much just using the chain because a new one is 55 bucks and i just paid 50 bucks for some stupid parts i really didn't need. I can't do anything with a used timing chain cause i really doubt anybody would want to trust it but it looks like its in good shape and doesn't seem to have much side movement so i'm just gonna go with that. I realize this is a corner i should cut but i've got too many things going on right now to spend on bikes anymore.

 

[tbpmusic]

You don't have to be apologetic around here about having budgetary issues.
Most of us here are pretty much broke, too.
If we had lots of bucks, we wouldn't be buying rust buckets for $200 and working on them for a year and a half.

 

[Bird76Mojo]

You don't have to be apologetic around here about having budgetary issues.
Most of us here are pretty much broke, too.
If we had lots of bucks, we wouldn't be buying rust buckets for $200 and working on them for a year and a half.

+1 Bill2!!

Or working on them for 5 years! :lol:

GB :mrgreen:

 

[crazypj]

You don't have to be apologetic around here about having budgetary issues.
Most of us here are pretty much broke, too.
If we had lots of bucks, we wouldn't be buying rust buckets for $200 and working on them for a year and a half.

6 yrs for my XS800, but I did put it in a frame for 400 miles to make sure it worked. (then I started another one and a couple of CB360's because its going to be spendy to get them finished, new tyres, etc)
I do the build stuff I can without spending anything much.
As for cam chains, they are standard D.I.D. roller chains.(Daido Kogyo Company)
Just find something that is available and buy a soft link to rivet it back together. I don't remember part numbers but I never bought genuine Honda just to have a DID in a red box (most of them were in DID boxes with Honda part number stuck on anyway)
Cam chain tensioners and guides are the things that are getting difficult or impossible to find

PJ

 

[Henryinva]

[quote="crazypj]
I do the build stuff I can without spending anything much.
As for cam chains, they are standard D.I.D. roller chains.(Daido Kogyo Company)
Just find something that is available and buy a soft link to rivet it back together. I don't remember part numbers but I never bought genuine Honda just to have a DID in a red box (most of them were in DID boxes with Honda part number stuck on anyway)
Cam chain tensioners and guides are the things that are getting difficult or impossible to find

PJ[/quote]

Thanks PJ, thats the point I was trying to make!

Henry

 

[sakibomb]

well thanks for not hounding on me. I'm sure if i was to blurt that out at the triple forum i would be hazed for buying a bike and mucking it up the wrong way.

Hopefully i'll be getting the top end back from the machine shop soon. I'm really kinda stoked to see this thing run. I have a shop manual for it but how exactly do you know if the cam chain is tight or too tight?

I can also throw some pictures up of how the progess is going if you guys are interested.

 

[Henryinva]

Sure, throw some pics up here! Everybody likes pics! Everybody likes to see a project move along its way. Best way to get some constructive comments too!

Henry

 

[sakibomb]

well here's some progress pics. I have quite a few i took tonight.

Here's the front wheel. I finally got he front brake to actually move again. A lot of WD-40 and some brake silicon and its good and springy.

Then i painted the side covers as a test, they are cleared yet but this is the new color i'm making the bike. I'm doing away with the decals. Its metal flake by dupli-color. I didn't think i would like it but it is a pretty blue.
I'm also doing shorty signals for the moment since the others are bent and it just bugs me to see them angled

Finally getting the engine back together. Just need the engine gasket kit now.

Polished an engine cover with some mothers, not done but was bored that day

and some shitty exhaust pipes

i'm also changing the front tire next week. Its got that nice road crowned, chopped tire action going on lol.

 

[leethal]

Whoa dude that muffler is toasted. Are ya gonna patch it and braize it for re-chrome?

Lee