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    1966 CB450 "Red Dragon"??

    New to the forums (originally posted this in the wrong section). My son and I just picked up a 1966 CB450 outside of Buffalo, NY. Got if from the 2nd owner who had it sitting in a barn since '79. He purchased it from the first owner in '69 who bought it new. According to the 2nd owner, he never painted it and it was red when he bought it. Paint looks to be originally red and cannot find any signs of black. Is it a Red Dragon? Who knows. But we are 5 minutes from Canada where it seems these might have came from.

    Here are some pictures. Front fork covers have been cut. Front fender is wrong. We are planning on cleaning it up, getting it running and then decide if we want to do a full restoration. Trying to keep it as original as possible in the meantime.

    In the barn
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    After starting to clean it up. Soda blasted the engine.
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    Some close ups
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    Certainly looks to be legit. Engine looks to have been completely apart, or at least all the screws have been changed to allens. Looks like the cam chain tensioner rod is sticking out of the back of the housing (unless it's an illusion) and if so, the chain has to be seriously loose at this point. Be cautious on the first start-up, I'd go over the cam chain adjustment, valves and timing and of course, an oil change before first start attempt. something else to know if you're new to DOHC 450s... it takes at least 1 to 2 full minutes to get oil to the cam bearings, cams and followers in this engine so keep the revs as low as possible for at least that long to avoid excess wear on the cam lobes and followers. The exhaust followers are more susceptible to wear due to the heat of the exhaust cam and the marginal lube as stock, and be sure to run a good oil for older engines (I add some zinc additive to the Brad Penn oil I run in mine)
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    Cool pictures of a great find! Given your location you may very well have the real deal. The paint under the tank and inside the headlamp shell may also provide clues as to the paint’s originality.
    All good advice from Ancientdad, he really knows his 450s. I would add that an easy modification to help the oil system is to fit a later 450 oil pump in place of the original. The piston size of the pump is larger on the later models so it simply pushes more oil through the system. It’s a direct bolt in, you just have to source a good used pump.
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    In the UK these actually didn't sell very well. Probably too expensive for a 'little' 500? Anyhooo. Honda, in their wisdom, withdrew all the unsold stock, repainted them red and stuck clip-ons on the forks. Even so, they didn't set the market on fire! I bought mine in 1970, been sat on a revolving plinth for a good few years. Wondered why the dealer snatched my hand off, and my lovely CB250 too. Lets just say (sorry all you proud 450 owners) time had not doe it any favours. It came with the, by now, five year old Bridgestone tyres, oh, and the inevitable carb diaphram splittages. Handled like a drunken pig, vibrated, then dropped a valve (!!). Left it in a mates garage and walked away before it chucked me down the road, yet again!

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    If the paintwork on your 450 is original then you do have an original Red Dragon.
    Red was a colour option but very few were produced. Some red parts could be found in the parts manual.

    I think yours is an early one as it is in a 1965 frame. Can you post the engine and frame numbers. I think it's unlikely but very early bombers had a 360 degree engine. Engine number will tell.

    Unsold 1966 red bombers were sold out of Canada. Different frame. A really good picture of one is shown on an LP record cover with Maynard Ferguson sitting on one holding a trombone. This picture shows how the bike should look.

    Google Honda cb450 Red Dragon for lots of information.

    Until you have researched this keep everything original. Maybe only a handful of genuine original reds have been found. Very rare.
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    LP title is "Riding High".
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    Red Dragon: The bike is all red in the headlight shell, underside of the tank and no sign of a repaint. Serial number 1002207. That said it is a 1965-66 Honda 450 and I will need help. Questions: What is a good match for the side covers-the silver? Does anyone know the match for the red paint?

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    I hope you're not planning on repainting it, once you do how would anyone know it wasn't a black one repainted red?

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    ^^^agreed - I'd keep it original and authentic
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    [QUOTE=jjdugen;1030290]...... oh, and the inevitable carb diaphram splittages. ...../QUOTE]


    ??? - on a 450??
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