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    CL350 front wheel not centered

    Hi All, thanks for reading.

    I’ve installed my new front wheel - a MikeXS 2.15 x 19 rim laced to the original hub and Continental TKC tire. I triple checked the compatibility of the new wheel/rim/tire set up before purchasing. All the parts are correct for the model (‘72), all parts installed, the spacer is on the correct side, the speedo gear mechanism is installed correctly, and the brake plate is seated.



    It may be hard to tell from the photo, but the wheel/tire is sitting closer to the left side (when seated on the bike) - it’s not off by much but it is off. The bottom clamps are mounted correct with the higher side forward and tightened down completely before the rear. The axle is pretty much flush on the right side and sticks out 3-5mm on the left.

    Is it possible my bearings (new) are not seated properly? Scratching my head here. Any help is much appreciated. Cheers
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    '72 CL350

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    It is also possible that the wheel was laced with an incorrect offset. That will make your hub centered, but the rim not.
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    First things first.....
    You DID install the axle from the wheel's right side...through the spacer and then the wheel....
    Once it exits the brake-plate the axle "nut" is installed with the "washer" section against the brake-plate......
    You then correctly torqued the axle before installing it under the forks....
    The fork bottom caps were seated with long side forwards, torqued first,
    and then the rear stud/washers/nuts tightened appropriately......

    Correct????
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    Quote Originally Posted by 66Sprint View Post
    First things first.....
    You DID install the axle from the wheel's right side...through the spacer and then the wheel....
    Once it exits the brake-plate the axle "nut" is installed with the "washer" section against the brake-plate......
    You then correctly torqued the axle before installing it under the forks....
    The fork bottom caps were seated with long side forwards, torqued first,
    and then the rear stud/washers/nuts tightened appropriately......

    Correct????
    Yes to all of those Steve - thanks for replying.

    The wheel is laced properly.

    I took the wheel off and installed the fender. After I double checked the wheel, brake plate, speedo gear mechanism, etc again. Mounted the wheel and it appears to be better. It is 'slightly' to the left. Will post up a photo in the morning.

    When tightening the axle the wheel does not want to turn very freely. Is this common with new bearings?! If I tighten the axle nut any more than slightly more than hand tight it begins to bind. I'm thinking something isn't correct.
    '72 CL350

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    Sounds like the center bearing spacer is missing...Part #7 in this:

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    No, that spacer is definitely in. Could it be possible that the bearings are not seated fully? That’s the only thing I can think of. Might explain the binding/sow rotation of the wheel?
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    If ALL the parts are there, the "central tubes" of each bit are compressed together when you tighten the axle...
    NONE of those actually rotate when the assembly is clamped in the forks....
    Only the balls and outer races (and of course the wheel) rotate on this now rigidly clamped "tube", aligned by the positioning of the bearing inner races (which comprise part of the "tube").

    IF the wheel is reluctant to spin on a tightly torqued axle, the bearings are the problem....
    They may be being compressed inwards (no or wrong center spacer, not fully in)....
    Or the bearings are tilted or damaged (improper install, driven crooked, or damaged when being driven in)...

    ONLY the center spacer and bearing inner races are usually involved in the problem....Outer races if driven crooked....
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    Excellent information Steve. I’ll have another look at them.
    '72 CL350

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    I pulled the wheel off again and double checked the bearings. They move freely and are seated. When the brake plate is on and axle tightened the wheel does not want to spin freely. I have new brakes but that shouldn’t be an issue.

    The wheel is still not centred either. Photos below. There’s a small gap at the bottom of each fork dropout on both sides too. The wheel is not rubbing against the left fork leg but the bits of new rubber from the tire is almost touching.
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    '72 CL350

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    After the axle is tight, but before you put the wheel back in the forks, does it turn okay? You can hold both sides of the axle and roll it on the floor, then lift it and see how easily it spins while holding the axle. Centering is one thing but if the wheel isn't turning freely on the bearings with the axle tight (but not overtightened), there's a problem with the bearings or spacers in the hub. What about the brake backing plate - when you put it in the hub but before you put the axle through, does it rotate freely when you push in the center where the axle goes in? Is it possible the backing plate is rubbing the outer edge of the hub when the axle is tightened?
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