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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue2swing View Post
    I’m looking for a front wheel belonging too a 1970-1972 CB450 (with the drum brake hub). I’m planning on mounting it on a 1974 CB450. Do you have one Available and how much to ship to California (zip code 95356)? Thanks.
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    Yes you are correct. I’m sorry I’m not very familiar with the CB450. I just bought a 1974 that I am planning on tearing down and building back up. I’ve done this once before with a CB750. I thought the 450 will be smaller and for some unknown rational by me, easier to work on. But I’m finding it’s a very different bike in design but still very fun to explore. I’m still not absolutely sure what it is that I’m looking for, I believe what I need to be asking for is a CL450 (NOT CB450) front drum brake assembly. I plan on using it with a rear 18” 2.5 wide rim and 18x4.5 cocker diamond tires. This tire will then be mounted as the front wheel of my 1974 CB750. (I believe I will also need the speed gear for the CL450 for an accurate speed reading). Do you think you might have anything along these lines that can help me out?

    A discussion on this very set up was discussed in this forum back in 2014,

    The brat pack. Coker tyres... how big can I go? CB450 K6
    https://www.hondatwins.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30866

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    need a seat for my 1969 CB450 = Hinge in the back and locks in the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue2swing View Post
    Yes you are correct. I€™️m sorry I€™️m not very familiar with the CB450. I just bought a 1974 that I am planning on tearing down and building back up. I€™️ve done this once before with a CB750. I thought the 450 will be smaller and for some unknown rational by me, easier to work on. But I€™️m finding it€™️s a very different bike in design but still very fun to explore. I€™️m still not absolutely sure what it is that I€™️m looking for, I believe what I need to be asking for is a CL450 (NOT CB450) front drum brake assembly. I plan on using it with a rear 18€ 2.5 wide rim and 18x4.5 cocker diamond tires. This tire will then be mounted as the front wheel of my 1974 CB750. (I believe I will also need the speed gear for the CL450 for an accurate speed reading). Do you think you might have anything along these lines that can help me out?

    A discussion on this very set up was discussed in this forum back in 2014,

    The brat pack. Coker tyres... how big can I go? CB450 K6
    https://www.hondatwins.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=30866
    I only have one front left. It’s a drum brake for a 68 CL450. I do not know if that will work for your application.
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    I believe a 68’s will work. I sent you a PM to discuss what’s included and what cost will be. Thanks!
    • 1975 CB750 K5 (Brat and loving it, but do miss the smoothness of a stock ride)
    • 1974 CB450 K7 registered as a 1973 :P (Current project, non-running. Attempting to build a bike that can be swapped between semi-full stock ride and Brat in a couple of hours)


    Still very green and learning. All help is very much appreciate!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue2swing View Post
    I believe a 68’s will work. I sent you a PM to discuss what’s included and what cost will be. Thanks!
    And I sent you a PM as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue2swing View Post
    Yes you are correct. I’m sorry I’m not very familiar with the CB450. I just bought a 1974 that I am planning on tearing down and building back up. I’ve done this once before with a CB750. I thought the 450 will be smaller and for some unknown rational by me, easier to work on. But I’m finding it’s a very different bike in design but still very fun to explore. I’m still not absolutely sure what it is that I’m looking for, I believe what I need to be asking for is a CL450 (NOT CB450) front drum brake assembly. I plan on using it with a rear 18” 2.5 wide rim and 18x4.5 cocker diamond tires. This tire will then be mounted as the front wheel of my 1974 CB750. (I believe I will also need the speed gear for the CL450 for an accurate speed reading). Do you think you might have anything along these lines that can help me out?

    A discussion on this very set up was discussed in this forum back in 2014,

    The brat pack. Coker tyres... how big can I go? CB450 K6
    https://www.hondatwins.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=30866
    The CL 450 front drum hub assembly is essentially the same as the CB 450 drum hub, and both have provision for 40 spokes.......The separate speedo drives are geared with different ratios to compensate for the rim diameter.....CB for 18", CL for 19"........
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    Quote Originally Posted by 66Sprint View Post
    The CL 450 front drum hub assembly is essentially the same as the CB 450 drum hub, and both have provision for 40 spokes.......The separate speedo drives are geared with different ratios to compensate for the rim diameter.....CB for 18", CL for 19"........
    Thank you 66Sprint. I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure that one out. I was on the verge of assembling a CL450 wheel from parts found on eBay at a minimum cost to me of $350 (before restoration costs and tubes/tires). I wasn’t to happy about it but if it’s what needs to be done then it’s what needs to be done!

    However, after further reviewing of the set up by Holiday Motorcycles in Oregon (attached pictures) I’m beginning to think this is not a Cb/CL450 drum. If you look closely at the drum plate you can see that the speedo gear is built into the hub that was used. After doing further searching online I found 2 possible candidates, the CB350 and the CM450 (I’m sure there must be more). The drum used on the Holiday Motorcycles bike has a pretty defined line going around the edge of the drum (just inside the spokes). The CB350 drum seems to share this detail, while the CM450 shares this bevel, but does not seem to be as defined (based on the online pictures I could find).

    So, I moved forward by purchasing a 1969 CB350 front wheel from eBay last night (with axle, linkage, fork mount plate, rim, spokes, drum, plate, etc.). It looks a little rusty, but I got the whole set up for $67, which I’m pretty happy about.

    Now I just need to find me 2 decent affordable 18x2.15 36H rims...... I’m gonna have to take a look at the back wheel of my 74 CB450, it might be 1 18x2.15 36H for the front and 1 40H for the back? Either way, this will take a much smaller chunk out of my built budget.

    Any thoughts on running a CB350 front drum brake on a CB450 bike?
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    • 1975 CB750 K5 (Brat and loving it, but do miss the smoothness of a stock ride)
    • 1974 CB450 K7 registered as a 1973 :P (Current project, non-running. Attempting to build a bike that can be swapped between semi-full stock ride and Brat in a couple of hours)


    Still very green and learning. All help is very much appreciate!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue2swing View Post
    Any thoughts on running a CB350 front drum brake on a CB450 bike?
    A 450 drum is 220mm in diameter.....IIRC, the 350 drum is about 180mm... both sets of shoes are roughly 30mm wide ....

    SO, the 450 drum has about 22% more braking capability, OR the 350 hub would be only about 78% as effective at stopping you....

    Another point to consider, the 350 wheel uses only 36 spokes, while the 450 uses 40 spokes.....
    That's an 11% DECREASE in strength/wheel stiffness, as well as a 22% loss in capability to stop.....

    This is NOT the choice I would make unless it was a matter of necessity......
    Last edited by 66Sprint; 08-22-2019 at 12:11 PM.
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